Phonak Paradise vs Oticon More Hearing Aid. Phonak Paradise vs. Oticon Extra Listening to Assist Comparability…Which one is BEST? Physician Cliff Olson, Audiologist and founding father of Utilized Listening to Options in Phoenix Arizona, compares the professionals and cons of the Phonak Paradise and Oticon Extra strains of listening to aids.
Phonak Paradise vs Oticon More Hearing Aid
Phonak Audeo Paradise Evaluate Video: https://youtu.be/w0uFiHl3UY4
Oticon Extra Evaluate Video: https://youtu.be/JMlWwJ4Oxsc
Phonak ActiveVent Video: https://youtu.be/uOcG8zd8glY
Listening to Assist Greatest Practices Video: https://youtu.be/4F1pkDhb8ys
UPDATE: Phonak has launched a brand new product, the Phonak Lumity. Study extra at https://hearingup.com/hearing-aids/phonak-lumity
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Which Hearing Aid to you think is Better, Phonak Paradise or Oticon More?
So much information packed into about 15 minutes (following the intro). I'll have to write down the side-by-side facts and features.
Also, have you ever done a live stream Q&A? I have a dilemma deciding which BTE to accompany the other side BAHA. Can I get the BAHA max to communicate with an upgraded BTE model?
If any viewer has experience or insight, please comment. Thanks
Please try to not use an adjective with “unique”, it is finite.
Good info Doc.
A note on the Phonak contact charging. I have som 5 year old, not BT, Phonak B-R from the VA. The aids DO lock into the charger, but a simple pull-back on the aid releases the lock and they are easy to lift out.
Did this change with the new Paradise line-up of contact charging aids?
I have an Oticon S2 hearing aid. It works great. The only problem I have is that although everything sounds goood but whe I hear a continuoous note from a musical instrument it has a slight tremlo effect. Is this a common problem? What should I do?
//How do you react to Audicus devices?
Is there video that we can actually see the hearing aid itself in person. I'm very particular when to comes to look, and design. I've been doing my research getting new hearing aid. I have RIC… lately, I've getting ear drainage and its causing to damage receiver often. I'm consider going back to old school BTE hearing aid but smaller similar to RIC without receiver wire.
In your experience, which of these HAs does a better job for people who have RSHL?
Nice comparison. If you do more of these, please put a chart of all the features compared at the end of the video.
Wax build up on my hearing is my biggest problem… do you a video on wax Maintenence?
I have a Phonak Marvel and also tried a Paradise for two weeks, both rechargeable. My only concern is battery life. Neither lasts a full (14 hour) day. Typically they died in 12 hours. I had to turn off phone and phone (Android) streaming, TV is still connected. They now last 14 hours.
Would really like to see comparisons between the Costco Rexton, Jabra and Philips. All three come from well known HA corporations. Leaving out the Costco 10 since you already did a great job. So taking some nuggets and applying to the Costco 10 and Philips from this video.
I get Phonaks from my worker's comp system. 3 years in to Audeo M70s, and they're fine. The price was right LOL, but I wasn't able to comparison shop.
Hi, Dr Cliff! I got my new hearings aid and so far I'm loving them but I do have one question which I don't want to ask my audiologist.. i have p90 up and my hearings aids are connected to my iPhone but one thing I'm really confused is what is R-Phonak hearing aid? I completely forgot what is it for and right now I have three devices connected on my phone, they are LE_L_Phonak and LE_R-phonak.. can you tell me what is R-phonak for and when should i not use it? Looking forward to see your reply.
Doctor cliff. , I currently have the phonak paradise hearing aids , they seem to make my tinnitus worse .. do you recommend the Otican buds over the phonak for this problem? Is there a program i dont know about ? My audiologist hasnt been very helpful not sure if she knows how to address the tinnitus issue
Will you do a video on advanced bionics marvel processor?
I have a Phonak Cros, just purchased 6.21.22. Was told its the latest greatest, Phonak does not have an app for it and when asked by me via their YouTube channel or my audiologist asking his Phonak sales rep they stated they don't have any information on when or if there will be one. The only app I see on the Android Play app store for Phonak "myPhonak" with 7,254 reviews has a score of 3 out of 5 stars with most people not liking it. And it will not connect to my brand new Phonak CROS hearing aid. And it's not just me, my audiologist who works with them every day can't connect my Android phone either. It's not compatible!
Oticon has even worse ratings for an Android app "Oticon ON" 5,538 reviews with 2.8 stars. Again most people don't like at all.
So what is a Phonak Paradise in relation to a Phonak CROS hearing aid? Which is newer? Which has better/more advanced technology?
Who makes a state of the art hearing aid that does not favor Apple over Android devices? I have Android devices and I am not going to ditch them for an Oticon hearing aid to get their best app/connectivity performance.
Having an app to control and change settings on my phone is important to me. Example at church, if I'm fiddling with the up/down buttons trying to find better performance it's very distracting for everyone behind me, it's cumbersome and confusing. It's a very primitive interface that begs for remote control.
Please help.
Too much smoke and mirrors and limitations with the whole industry as far as I can see.
I bought a Panak hearing aid package at a cost of about $6000 and I was not impressed after two years the system broke down and when I enquired about repair service they told me ,,,,,,, Sorry we cannot fix the hearing aid, as being a senior that is rather an expensive hearing aid at a cost of $3000 a year. There are many hearing aids available and the prices vary wildly, I wonder why, for me, Panak is a lousy company, and was quite disappointed with the longevity of the unit. I like the in-ear placed units and it does not create a problem if you wear glasses and a took on winter. with covid/glasses and taking Panak behind ear unit is a disaster, you may get a bonus for saying what you say on YouTube, as a senior I feel I was taken for a right!!!!!!! I find it very frustrating to find a hearing aid, reasonable in cost and meets my particular needs.
Which is better for piano and singing?
SLOW DOWN! SLOW DOWN! SLOW DOWN!
A lot of people depending on hearing aids are older than you and will have a hard time following you with that speed.
I don't understand what "Link in the description" means, What description? Where is it?
Hi Cliff,
I bought Phonak Paradise couple weeks ago after watching your several videos on same. Can you please explain what is GAIN LEVEL in Global tuning? What is ideal Gain value to be set for Moderately severe hearing loss. I couldn’t get much details on same from my audiologist or google. Pls help.
Dr. Cliff, I love your videos….really helpful. I tried both these hearing aides for 30 days, others as well. Although the technology on the Phonak was potentially fantastic, I found that it failed often. Sometimes taping the aids just didn't answer the phone or while speaking to someone, if I had an itch nearby the aid, my touch would hang up the call. I would often have to manually go in and sort out the bluetooth connection or the device I wanted to use. Sometimes music would stream and I didn't know from where. Most importantly was 'best practices'. I just knew that the Phonak could do better, but she didn't want to use real ear measurement. The Oticon professional used 'real ear measurement' automatically and ultimately, I bought it because I could hear better. I wish I could 'tap and connect/disconnect', but my hearing loss is serious and bottom line is that I need to hear as well as possible, technology aside.
I've been using hearing aids for the past 60 years, and a pair of Siemens Lotus 12SP models for the past 5 years. The Lotus 12SP, while far less expensive, outperformed the Phonaks I had been using prior to them. Now I'm looking to purchase two new BTE aids and do NOT want to programmable digital kind. I've tried them and I don't like a program deciding what I hear and what to clip. Leave that to me. My hearing is in the severe to profound loss range. Can you suggest anything that doesn't cost thousands that is comparable to the Lotus 12SP?
I found phonak always clearer and better for discrimination of sounds. Can you please explain to me why? Thank you for your good videos
Paradise has the better assistive devices range but I hear so, so much better with ‘just’ the Mores. No comparison.
My rechargeable Phonak Paradise Audeo are awesome. They connect to anything. I can tap my ear and answer phone calls, scratch my ear to accidentally hang up on people. I'm listening to this video with them. I've had them for at least 18mo. They still charge up and last all day. I've gotten them wet in the shower probably 20 times, briefly, and they still work. The only problem for me, and I assume all hearing aid wearers it hearing speech with noise/music, etc in the background like at a restaurant.
Dr. Cliff, thank you for a very informative video. Can I please check as I am unclear about the difference between top level Phonak and Oticon in terms of automatically adjusting to the environment. I understand that Phonak will automatically adjust when entering a different listening environment. Does a top level Oticon HA also adjust automatically or do you have to manually choose a different listening program? I appreicate your feedback, thank you
What hearing aids are you using Dr. Cliff ?
Excellent video as always. There is always something new for hearing aid wearers to learn about the various manufacturers technologies but today my take away was that there are 2 types of Bluetooth connection possible – Bluetooth classic and Bluetooth low energy ASHA.
I have an android phone, its a Samsung galaxy s9+ and although its on my Resound Linx Quattro connectivity list it no longer streams audio reliably via the ASHA Bluetooth le connection. Resound have an announcement on their website telling potential buyers that their ASHA devices no longer connect reliably with Android 12 devices but my device is an Android version 10 and I've read about Android 11 users experiencing the ASHA bluetooth connectivity problem.
Could you do a video specifically on the bluetooth ASHA problem and ways to overcome it? In addition a list of manufacturers that use the bluetooth classic protocol would be amazingly valuable resource for hearing aid users I believe.
Hi Dr Cliff.
I am a subscriber and have learned so much from your videos over the last year. I watched this video and decided to try the Oticon RITE R Elite instead of the Phonak Paradise Life. I was due for new aids to replace my Phonak Audeo Marvel 90s which have worked well and are my fourth set of Phonak hearing aids. I was interested in the Oticon because of the MFi enhancements to the Bluetooth interface with my 2017 iPhone SE.
I am on a two week trial with the Oticons and find the actual hearing, while different to the Marvels, is also better in a crisper, clearer way. The phone conversations and streaming on my iPhone are as advertised and I will spend more time evaluating the Live Listen function that wasn't available with the Phonak. The Oticon app also works OK but will take more getting used to.
The bad news is that the Oticon aids will not pair with my 2017 Macbook 12' Retina running MacOS 10.15.7. This device uses Bluetooth 4.2 that claims to support LE looking at the System Hardware Bluetooth Report..
The Phonaks worked just fine on the iPhone using Bluetooth LE for interacting with the myPhonak app and Bluetooth Classic for streaming audio. Turning Bluetooth off on the iPhone I am able to pair with the Macbook for audio streaming with no difficulty.
People on Apple's discussion groups tell me the Macbook doesn't use LE so won't pair with the Oticon which only uses LE for both app control and streaming.
It seems odd to me that an Apple phone would have LE plus Classic functions that can each operate independently or at the same time (ie the app can be used to control some aspects of the streaming) yet the much more sophisticated Macbook of the same generation cannot do LE at all.
Have you ever run across an issue like this seeming incompatibility of Macbook with Oticon Bluetooth?
Thanks for all of your excellent work.
Thanks for mentioning that I need to charge my hearing aid for 3 hours. I was wondering as the right one didn't charge overnight … oops … so I'm charging it now.
Yay Phonak‼️ 😁
Could you review the specs of 'new' Phonak Slim vs Phonak Paradise that the Slim is supposedly modeled after, ie is the Phonak slim battery life, other features 'toned down' due to the smaller size?
Hey Dr. Cliff – Random question, but can you tell me the brand of shirt you’re wearing in this video? I’m a fan!
If you programm a hearing aid.
do you yuse REM only for G65
or for all inputlevels?
and do you think its an advantige, that Oticon has up to 8 different CR with only 3 that are programebel?
I had to trade in
my Samsung S21 for a IPhone 13 in order for my Oticon More 2 h.a. Could work. Both were new phones under a year old!
thank you for finally getting back to the videos you have posted in the past about technology that the hearing aid consumer can understand and utilize. Relatively unbiased and hopefully non sponsored content is much more honest.
Oticon basically needs an iphone to function at its best for streaming. There is no way I will buy a new phone just to make my hearing aids work their best. As a computer specialist, I know better than to enter Apple's "Walled Garden" and put up with their limitations.
How about water/sweat resistance for these two units? I spent a week in Dubai at some 120 F (49 C) and my hearing aids were almost useless due to sweating. Could also be a problem during training activities.
I have a reverse hearing slope and have tried the More (two times), Phonak Paradise, the Signia AX and the Widex Moment. I Also had Custom ear tips for all of them for best performance and comparisons. I have found the Paradise to work the best for clarity of speech and in group settings. I will never hear perfectly since my right ear has significant loss. I may go with a cross system next time since I wanted to try to maintain some directionality now. What also helps the Paradise is their APP which allows direct custom controls that you can understand the changes and have control of what you are changing.
The More were the worse. Could not hear speech well and in social groups I could not hear much. Their APP did not allow for many impact changes, not enough control. The sound was not natural they had a different sound to them.
The Widex and Signia were very similar but their APPS did not have the precise controls and they both had Bluetooth issues.
Please note that all of them had some kind of Bluetooth issued but the Phonak Paradise had the least issues.
I want to try to get the Phonak Life (waterproof)but Amplifon, my insurance company, does not cover them yet.
Just tried both and Phonak is better BY FAR from any aspect. Otiicon Android connectivity was poor and unstable and it barely improved my hearing relative to my old Starkey HAs.Phonak was great in noisy places' especially with Roger On. Oticon was bad in noisy places and its app is primitive. I did not experience the Oticon AI "wonders" at all. If you try Phonak you MUST try it with Rogers On, its a little wonder, absolutely as you said, an unfair advantage, to say the least. Definitely staying with Phonak Odeo
I’ve got Oticon more one and they are awful! A lot of background noises, useless in noisy environment to make a phone call as I can’t hear anything, my tinnitus now is much worse, customer service is awful. The worst money I ever spent.
It has been 7 months since the VA audiologist ordered the Oticon More 1 rechargeable. I did not realize what I have been missing. The audiologist paired it with my iPhone and they work well. The audiologist told me to stop by anytime that I am in the VA hospital, and he cleans them, puts on new ear cups and checks the settings to make sure that they conform to my programmed settings. This past Friday, he was able to check my settings via the VA health app, while was out shopping. I was diagnosed with moderate hearing loss, and the Oticon More 1, is great. The audiologist ordered them with an extension that loops around my outer ear canal, to prevent the Oticon from being ripped out of my ears when I take off my mask. It has saved the Oticon numerous times from falling to the floor and perhaps damaging them. Based on my own experience, I highly recommend the Oticon More 1, and praise my VA audiologist for great service. I have spoken to other veterans at our VA hospital and they are very satisfied with the care given to us by our audiologist. He has been at the VA hospital for 33 years, and he told me that he takes great pride in helping his fellow veterans.